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DMala
06-23-2003, 06:55 PM
Last Saturday morning I went to Schuylkill Outfitters (North Wildwood, NJ), and briefly tried both a Necky Spike and a Necky Dolphin. Note that I have been kayaking for many years traditional SIKs, in fact that was the first time I tried a SOT. So my prospective reflects the opinion of a long-time paddler, but not necessarily the point of view of a “specialized” kayak fisherman who typically paddles Cobra, WS and other common SOTs, which follow for the most a different design concept.
I am 5’9” and 153 lb, so I am not a big guy.

First I tried the Spike: after a few paddle strokes I immediately noticed the relatively limited initial stability, which I got used to within a minute. The hull just responds to your body position, and has a play of few degrees of inclination on each side which requires that sort of automatic adjustment which very quickly goes unnoticed. This anyway allows you to use the hull shape to assist you when making a turn, as well as to more easily reach out when for example bracing against a wave. In fact the Spike, also thanks to his modest length, turns very easily, which I really liked a lot. It still however tracks well without a rudder (again, you can use the hull to make small corrections when necessary), and the speed seems quite respectable. Paddling against a tidal current, you can feel that there is not much drug against you, because the kayak is short and the bottom wet area is limited, so you can keep up a good speed with relatively little effort. Small waves a few inches high were not a problem in terms of hull noise (I do not know what would happen with waves a foot high or more), and were properly deflected away by the bow. The impression is that you sit quite low on the water. When trying to lean onto a side, it was easy to reach the water with the edge of the kayak, but after that point the kayak suddenly stabilizes and to lean further is not as easy at all. This is a good secondary stability. Since there is only a bow hatch (small) in the front and a day hatch, there is a nice flat area between the cockpit and the tankwell at the rear, where it would be easy to install rod holders. Overall I felt I quickly gained a very high degree of control, responsiveness and comfort in this kayak, but the low paddling position made me think that it is going to be a relatively wet ride.

The Dolphin on the contrary has what appeared to me a higher and drier sitting position. The initial stability seemed a lot higher than the Spike, as well as the ability to quickly accelerate and go fast on flat water. Speed seemed really excellent. However, due to the longer hull, when paddling against the current I felt I had relatively more drag to overcome, even if it was still a fast boat. Not surprisingly, turning was a little more difficult: while with the Spike I could make a 90 degree turn with a good hull lean and a strong sweep, with the Dolphin it would take me 2-3 sweeps. I attributed this to the extra two feet in length, but also to a hull that does not lean as easily. Sitting sideways with my legs in the water was very easy and the kayak felt secure. Overall I would say that it had a good ability to turn, while for the Spike it is excellent. One disconcerting thing with the Dolphin was that the bow, going against small waves 4-5” high, would make a slapping noise and project a splash of water several inches high and to the side, which going against the wind would have certainly been blown back and soaked me. Maybe I was too light and a heavier load would modify this characteristic. This kayak has an additional dry hatch behind the cockpit, but it is positioned sideways so I am not sure if it could be used to store a 2-piece long rod for fishing from the shore. It was easy to access and Bob from the store showed me how to use the hatch cover straps to hold down a board with a rod holder and a paddle clip, which would facilitate fishing without having to modify the kayak.

The workmanship and finish of both kayaks seemed excellent. Eventually I picked the Spike, because I paddle relatively short distances in back bays and narrow creeks, and overall it felt I could paddle it more efficiently than its longer brother. Each one however has its own strengths, and it all depends on what you are looking for and your paddling style.


DMala

wintermute
07-24-2003, 05:31 AM
i rented a necky dolphin last week to see what this yak is like. there are definitely some great things about this yak, but the things that annoyed me about the yak took this boat out of contention.

good stuff: first off, this thing is built really well. i love the neoprene hatch covers. they guarantee that the inside is going to stay dry. the hatch rivets that were criticized on other boards did not seem to be a problem at all. this boat looks great, too. this boat was really easy to paddle and handled chop really well, almost too well as it bounced right over some boat wake instead of cutting through it a little (the way i like it). it was really maneuverable and a coupla swipes with the paddle and a good lean and this thing turns around like nobody's business. there is almost no initial stability to this boat (but i think that's great - that's why it's so maneuverable), but has really good secondary stability, and i was able to sit sideways w/o any problem.

cons: although easy to paddle, it was a lot slower than a scupper pro. the hatches are a little too small. you'd have no problem getting a tackle box below deck, but forget about poles, paddles, or other larger items. i'm 6'1" and the cockpit was just large enough to fit me w/ the right amount of knee bend i like, but due to the high sitting position, i found i kept grazing my knees w/ the paddle. none of these were really deal-breakers though. what became extremely annoying was the lack of glide the boat has. immediately after i would stop paddling, the boat would be pulled around by the wind or the current.

the last boat i'm gonna try before i buy is the perception illusion. if that thing doesn't wow me, i'm going w/ the scupper pro tw. as far as i'm concerned the good ol' scupper is the perfect boat for me.

DMala
09-17-2003, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wintermute:
cons: although easy to paddle, it was a lot slower than a scupper pro. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Probably true, but you are comparing the Spike with a kayak that is 2.5 feet longer. For its length and manouvrability it is not a slow kayak.


DMala

Socrates_thinks
09-18-2003, 08:45 PM
I love the Spike and agree completely with the first post. And under many conditions it is NOT that much slower than the Dolphin. Why....

Because (unlike the Spike) the Dolphin has a quite substantial bow overhang, so much more that the waterline length of the Spike is really little more than a foot different.

Add in all the other VERY seaworthy features of the Spike and it's a real winner. NOTE: Please do not judge the Spike until you've spent some time in it... the initial "tippiness" is quickly accomodated to.

The Spike is probably the most seaworthy and maneuvreable SOT on the water today (ps...I own and love my Scupper Pro).

Best,
Soc

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Santiago II
09-19-2003, 04:14 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Socrates_thinks:
"I love the Spike and agree completely with the first post. And under many conditions it is NOT that much slower than the Dolphin. Why....

Because (unlike the Spike) the Dolphin has a quite substantial bow overhang, so much more that the waterline length of the Spike is really little more than a foot different.

Add in all the other VERY seaworthy features of the Spike and it's a real winner. NOTE: Please do not judge the Spike until you've spent some time in it... the initial "tippiness" is quickly accomodated to.

The Spike is probably the most seaworthy and maneuvreable SOT on the water today"




I was curious about what parameters are you using to define seaworthy?

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wintermute
09-22-2003, 07:46 AM
i know i'm nit-picking,and don't mean any offense. i was comparing the dolphin, not the spike, to the sptw. i believe it's only 9" shorter. with the sptw, i can paddle it up to speed, stop paddling, and the thing just glides straight. the dolphin just didn't do that. but the seaworthiness of the thing... it pops over waves like a cork. if you try to tip the thing, you fall off the edge before it flips. it seems like it would be awesome for surfing. it seems like it's a great yak. it's just not what i'm looking for.

DMala
09-22-2003, 09:27 AM
Wintermute, I feel like I owe you an apology, you are right, I did not read your post correctly. The comment I made does not apply to the small difference in length between the two. You are also correct in terms of the high buoyancy of the Dolphin's (and Spike too) bow: if you hit some chop it bounces off the waves, which I guess would be good if you surf back to the beach, but has the downside of making the ride bumpy if you paddle against the waves. Each design choice has its pros and cons.


DMala

Socrates_thinks
10-27-2003, 02:42 AM
The Necky Spike especially is designed more like a good sea kayak. Only modest primary, but excellent secondary stability with good overhang and flare means this shorter yak can deal with serious surf and challenging conditions.

A truly seaworthy yak must be able to deal with rough, big and messy water. It must have excellent secondary stability. It must have a decent amount of rocker. The hull shape must be more "soft" in shape. Seating position needs to be low and "wet". Profile should be low and windcheating.

All of these allow a kayak to better deal with messy water, not be thrown around, work with the water, maneuvre effectively.

Among SOT's the Necky Spike is a unique design, is really the only SOT designed like a true sea kayak. It is a high performance yak that can handle truly challenging conditions.

Best,
Soc

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Santiago II
11-06-2003, 04:42 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Socrates_thinks:
The Necky Spike especially is designed more like a good sea kayak. Only modest primary, but excellent secondary stability with good overhang and flare means this shorter yak can deal with serious surf and challenging conditions.

A truly seaworthy yak must be able to deal with rough, big and messy water. It must have excellent secondary stability. It must have a decent amount of rocker. The hull shape must be more "soft" in shape. Seating position needs to be low and "wet". Profile should be low and windcheating.

All of these allow a kayak to better deal with messy water, not be thrown around, work with the water, maneuvre effectively.

Among SOT's the Necky Spike is a unique design, is really the only SOT designed like a true sea kayak. It is a high performance yak that can handle truly challenging conditions.

Best,
Soc

aka Capn Jimbo aka Jim aka Hey you!



How about the relationship of length to "seaworthiness"?

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